Aug 29, 2018
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Airing date: 08/29/2018
Hippies Could Kill Us All - How To Make Elections Safer
Craig Peterson: 0:00 Hey good morning everybody. Here in the northeast, we are going through a heat wave three H's hazy, hot and humid. Now I know I mentioned this on the FBI webinar I did yesterday I mentioned how hot it was and we're miserable because it's in the 90s and it's humid and poor us and I got notes from people in gas Dallas is hotter than even Houston this year more miserable down there so I get it but for us this is really hot, okay and I'm not really happy about this but you know falls coming that's my favorite time of year I love fall up here in the northeast up in New Hampshire it's just beautiful. So today I was on with Ken was out. So it wasn't Ken and Matt, it was Joe and Matt today. And we talked about two things really, we talked about the hippies in Berkeley and the Bay Area out there and how they are now putting all of our lives at risk. This is a very real threat. So we talked about it and get into some detail and then we get into a little bit about hacking and where things are going and what's happening with our voting system. Because of course, we got a route midterm and then a midterm primaries first. And then the general big election coming up in a couple of years. So what happened out at DEF CON black hat, and, and it's frankly, it's a little scary sides. Oh, here we go.
1:32
Okay. It is 737 on the WGAN Morning News with Canada. We have Joe
Reagan in for Ken and we have Craig Peterson, Tech Talk guru who is
joining us right now to give us an eye on technology around the
world. Craig, how are you?
1:46
Hey, good morning. I feel like I'm melting lately. This is kind of
nasty. But last time of the year. I suppose I this is your last
opportunity to get sweat out of your living room. Yes,
absolutely.
1:57
And all you wouldn't look forward to is a very cold, long, cold,
snowy winter. Yes. Yes.
2:03
I have a daughter right now over Norway. And she's working over
there right now on a project. But anyways, she's saying that right
now. She wants to send over her winter clothes because it's already
about 32 degrees at night. So yeah, that's to look forward to
2:24
yesterday, just like it was yesterday. Okay.
2:26
So Craig, tell me exactly how the hippies are destroying
America.
2:31
Oh, those hippies are back again. That's what you know about the
military. You know about DARPA, you know that they're constantly
trying to improve the technology to kind of one up bar potential
enemies. And they've been doing it for a long time using military
contractors and others. Right now, guys, when you're thinking about
the most advanced technologies, you're probably thinking about mag
AF. Right?
3:02
What you may get Microsoft, Apple, Google Amazon. And let me stop
you right there. There are so many acronyms in my brain
3:13
government work, you can't start giving them new ones
3:17
like mega with an F on the end. I thought it would be easy for you.
Is there a hat? I can put this on
3:27
Red Hat
3:29
Do you think about right? All these leading tech companies are kind
of in the lead when it does come to the different types of
technology out there. So what is the military do they go to all of
those companies? And particularly, we're going to talk right now
about Google. But they go to those companies and say, Hey, listen,
you've got this great technology. Now, all of these companies
license some of their technologies, you other people, and
particularly when we're talking about Google, we've received some
great technology. Look at me, Amazon now with the echo because I
you guys, you know, those right, you have to have any those.
4:09
I have an echo and echo plus, I've got a tap. Yeah, no, I've got a
lot of those things.
4:12
I got an echo show. And I got a couple of them. So I gave one to
our granddaughter who's over in Kentucky so that we can chat with
her. She can jump in anytime she wants. So I mean, Google Home, do
you have Google Home or any of those devices now is now
4:28
home stuff terrifies me.
4:30
You know, a refrigerator tweeting is I don't
4:32
mind the refrigerator, tweeting. It's the security peace behind it.
And having the cloud that concerns me.
4:39
Yeah, the IoT, right? The Internet of Things. We're talking about
50 billion devices within a couple of years. So that technology
gets license Google, license it to other people, Amazon, license it
to other people. So when the military of saying, hey, Google,
you've got this really cool artificial intelligence project, and we
want to use that in some of our development work every want to give
it to them, some startup by contractors, you want to pay you for
it, etc, etc. You would expect that to happen, right? That's a
legit logical thing they license protect other people, why would
they not license it to the military. So it started out with a small
group of people inside Google who said, No, I don't want my work
being used by the military to potentially kill people. And then it
ended up being about three to 5000 people within Google who signed
a petition saying, I'm going to quit my job, if you license any of
this AI technology to the military. So now, we've got all of these
peaceniks, which is bringing back in my mind, memories of the 60s
and 70s, these hippies running around saying, No, no, no, you can't
use our tech, you can't use our tech nine and I man,
5:58
but in the 60s, the government was investing heavily let me the
whole purpose of Silicon Valley expanding was due to government
investment in the 80s. Where did we get the internet from the army
again, from the military? It was another ARPANET project, they will
bring that in the internet today, right? That's right. It was the
project of where they were linking universities into the military,
linking them all together so they could communicate and develop
stuff. It's all military, it was military funded. Heck, we even got
pain from NASA, right? That does anyone tell you any more, by the
way,
6:39
so that's not really a high bar to said,
6:43
Where's the snare drum there? We need to call
6:48
anyways, it's cold. It's cold room shop
6:51
shop there. So the military has long use high tax the years they're
young with some
7:02
now they worked with our universities, etc. And now these hippies
are saying, No, you can't use it. Now, here's the problem that's
just
7:10
cots technology coming out of Google, DARPA is still doing
7:15
investigative research into those areas.
7:17
Absolutely. DARPA has not stopped doing what they've been doing.
And of course, they'll know that's the Defense Advanced Research
Project Agency because I have to explain some of the fly is today
some of the four letter acronym
7:31
so so that's what DARPA is, yes. But the AI technology that the
military was trying to license is critical. And here's why China is
ahead of us right now, with at least it appears to be with some of
this AI technology. And where this could ultimately lead, if it
came down to war could be a very, very bad path. We I'm personally
I don't think that those people inside Google are thinking this
through. I don't think they realize that by not allowing the
military to use the most advanced technology in the world, we are
going to start falling behind. And when that happens, I personally
think things could turn pretty bad ultimately. But that's where the
hippies coming back. Who knew?
8:24
Well, Craig, it's a great point. I think that, you know, looking at
as far as foreign policy concerned, but also the impact of
technology on our voting systems. I mean, we've had a lot of
conversations around the use of the Russians both influencing
through social media, traditional media. But then there's also
discussions around the actual threats to the physical things in
which we use to vote, right. Yeah,
8:46
we just had the big conference out there in Vegas, we had the black
hat and DEF CON conferences. Now, these are conferences that every
year, it's kind of interesting, because they are talking about how
things can be hacked. And if go to one of those conferences, you do
not want to bring any electronic devices, because the likelihood is
they will be hacked. I don't care what they are, they're going to
get hacked out there. And one of the things that they did this year
is they expanded it. Well, let me just back up a little bit. You've
been to conventions before, and conferences anytime. And they've
got tracks, right. So you might have the CEO track or this tracker,
that track record, they do the same thing out of these hacking
conferences in Vegas. And this year, they had the biggest that
they've ever had voting systems online. So they took a whole bunch
of wanting system, some of which are in us, in the US and
throughout the US. And they put them into a room and they said,
have added guys, and they had contests and of course, they were
they were all hacked, right? Every one of them. And I got to say
that the secretaries of state say, Hey, listen, you know, that's
not the real world. Because in the real world, we have more secure
networks, we have air gaps, and of course, all that defeated to the
thing that's most interesting. Joe, I'm glad you brought this up
from the conference here just a couple of weeks ago, is that they
also had a junior section. So they had they had let him loose. I
mean, kids on voting machines and an 11-year-old girl hack voting
machine. And I mean, what she ended up doing was, and this is
interesting, right, man, how do the results get disseminated to the
press? Most of the time it's via websites, right? You check the
website and you've got it. So what does this 11-year-old girl do?
She had a replica of the Florida Secretary of State's website out
there at Black Hat. So again, every part of this is a problem
because what happens if in Washington, they're not calling up and
saying I'm you're the Secretary of State for me, give me the vote
tallies. What was a code word of the week change code words? I know
what you so I know the numbers are legit. What happens if they go
to the state of Maine's website to find out what the vote tallies
are to put them together to say yes, so it's always our new next
president. And in fact, all they had to do was had website had the
email. So, Joe, you're dead on this is a huge, huge problem. We
have not fought all the way through yet. What are some of the
solutions that are being proposed, you'd like to hope that when you
look at what DEF CON is trying to do, is it's trying to bring in
those white hat hackers that can come in and try and identify the
problems in the hope that you're gonna have solutions that are
going to come out of that. I mean, are there any ways in which we
can further secure the voting system or there's being discussed?
Well, yeah, I think they are. I think the best way to do this is a
spot audience by people. I think that you using a piece of paper
where you mark down who you're voting for, you know, and most of
the states that are doing the paper ballots now or are using the
optical scanners and it's not, you know, it's not Paper Paper till
heavier than a sheet of paper. But then the machine reads it and
then the machine gives the tallies and I think what should we only
way to move forward here because we're gonna have to use some of
this technology but he is you have the machines read them and then
you have people spot check they manually go through looking for
hanging chads rice in a flashback 20 years ago, and that they look
at them, they looked at the tallies, make sure everything looks
fine. And then we have to have a secure way of making sure that
those tallies that are coming from individual districts and
counties and state or all shared properly so that we get good final
numbers. That's the only way we can really trust it. I think that
the recount that we have right now some states have automatic
recount. So if it's close enough of a race, some don't have that.
But I think we should make recount easier. So if you want to do a
recount, no problem. We bring you some of your people in we will
watch you guys with the balance making sure you're not doing
anything phony baloney so that anyone almost can do a recount so
that we can trust the final tallies. That's the only way I think
that we can move forward on this job. Because the tech the tech
just cannot be 100% trusted.
13:34
Well, on that happy note, Craig, I think we're done. Unfortunately,
we ran out of time. So we have to leave it there, Craig, appreciate
your appearance. And we will talk to you again next Wednesday. Hey,
gentlemen, take care. Thanks so much. All right. We're gonna take a
quick break. We'll come back on the other side.
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