Aug 29, 2018
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Airing date: 08/29/2018
Hippies Could Kill Us All - How To Make Elections Safer
Craig Peterson: 0:00 Hey good morning everybody. Here in the northeast, we are going through a heat wave three H's hazy, hot and humid. Now I know I mentioned this on the FBI webinar I did yesterday I mentioned how hot it was and we're miserable because it's in the 90s and it's humid and poor us and I got notes from people in gas Dallas is hotter than even Houston this year more miserable down there so I get it but for us this is really hot, okay and I'm not really happy about this but you know falls coming that's my favorite time of year I love fall up here in the northeast up in New Hampshire it's just beautiful. So today I was on with Ken was out. So it wasn't Ken and Matt, it was Joe and Matt today. And we talked about two things really, we talked about the hippies in Berkeley and the Bay Area out there and how they are now putting all of our lives at risk. This is a very real threat. So we talked about it and get into some detail and then we get into a little bit about hacking and where things are going and what's happening with our voting system. Because of course, we got a route midterm and then a midterm primaries first. And then the general big election coming up in a couple of years. So what happened out at DEF CON black hat, and, and it's frankly, it's a little scary sides. Oh, here we go.
Okay. It is 737 on the WGAN Morning News with Canada. We have Joe Reagan in for Ken and we have Craig Peterson, Tech Talk guru who is joining us right now to give us an eye on technology around the world. Craig, how are you?
Hey, good morning. I feel like I'm melting lately. This is kind of nasty. But last time of the year. I suppose I this is your last opportunity to get sweat out of your living room. Yes, absolutely.
And all you wouldn't look forward to is a very cold, long, cold, snowy winter. Yes. Yes.
I have a daughter right now over Norway. And she's working over there right now on a project. But anyways, she's saying that right now. She wants to send over her winter clothes because it's already about 32 degrees at night. So yeah, that's to look forward to
yesterday, just like it was yesterday. Okay.
So Craig, tell me exactly how the hippies are destroying America.
Oh, those hippies are back again. That's what you know about the military. You know about DARPA, you know that they're constantly trying to improve the technology to kind of one up bar potential enemies. And they've been doing it for a long time using military contractors and others. Right now, guys, when you're thinking about the most advanced technologies, you're probably thinking about mag AF. Right?
What you may get Microsoft, Apple, Google Amazon. And let me stop you right there. There are so many acronyms in my brain
government work, you can't start giving them new ones
like mega with an F on the end. I thought it would be easy for you. Is there a hat? I can put this on
Do you think about right? All these leading tech companies are kind of in the lead when it does come to the different types of technology out there. So what is the military do they go to all of those companies? And particularly, we're going to talk right now about Google. But they go to those companies and say, Hey, listen, you've got this great technology. Now, all of these companies license some of their technologies, you other people, and particularly when we're talking about Google, we've received some great technology. Look at me, Amazon now with the echo because I you guys, you know, those right, you have to have any those.
I have an echo and echo plus, I've got a tap. Yeah, no, I've got a lot of those things.
I got an echo show. And I got a couple of them. So I gave one to our granddaughter who's over in Kentucky so that we can chat with her. She can jump in anytime she wants. So I mean, Google Home, do you have Google Home or any of those devices now is now
home stuff terrifies me.
You know, a refrigerator tweeting is I don't
mind the refrigerator, tweeting. It's the security peace behind it. And having the cloud that concerns me.
Yeah, the IoT, right? The Internet of Things. We're talking about 50 billion devices within a couple of years. So that technology gets license Google, license it to other people, Amazon, license it to other people. So when the military of saying, hey, Google, you've got this really cool artificial intelligence project, and we want to use that in some of our development work every want to give it to them, some startup by contractors, you want to pay you for it, etc, etc. You would expect that to happen, right? That's a legit logical thing they license protect other people, why would they not license it to the military. So it started out with a small group of people inside Google who said, No, I don't want my work being used by the military to potentially kill people. And then it ended up being about three to 5000 people within Google who signed a petition saying, I'm going to quit my job, if you license any of this AI technology to the military. So now, we've got all of these peaceniks, which is bringing back in my mind, memories of the 60s and 70s, these hippies running around saying, No, no, no, you can't use our tech, you can't use our tech nine and I man,
but in the 60s, the government was investing heavily let me the whole purpose of Silicon Valley expanding was due to government investment in the 80s. Where did we get the internet from the army again, from the military? It was another ARPANET project, they will bring that in the internet today, right? That's right. It was the project of where they were linking universities into the military, linking them all together so they could communicate and develop stuff. It's all military, it was military funded. Heck, we even got pain from NASA, right? That does anyone tell you any more, by the way,
so that's not really a high bar to said,
Where's the snare drum there? We need to call
anyways, it's cold. It's cold room shop
shop there. So the military has long use high tax the years they're young with some
now they worked with our universities, etc. And now these hippies are saying, No, you can't use it. Now, here's the problem that's just
cots technology coming out of Google, DARPA is still doing
investigative research into those areas.
Absolutely. DARPA has not stopped doing what they've been doing. And of course, they'll know that's the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency because I have to explain some of the fly is today some of the four letter acronym
so so that's what DARPA is, yes. But the AI technology that the military was trying to license is critical. And here's why China is ahead of us right now, with at least it appears to be with some of this AI technology. And where this could ultimately lead, if it came down to war could be a very, very bad path. We I'm personally I don't think that those people inside Google are thinking this through. I don't think they realize that by not allowing the military to use the most advanced technology in the world, we are going to start falling behind. And when that happens, I personally think things could turn pretty bad ultimately. But that's where the hippies coming back. Who knew?
Well, Craig, it's a great point. I think that, you know, looking at as far as foreign policy concerned, but also the impact of technology on our voting systems. I mean, we've had a lot of conversations around the use of the Russians both influencing through social media, traditional media. But then there's also discussions around the actual threats to the physical things in which we use to vote, right. Yeah,
we just had the big conference out there in Vegas, we had the black hat and DEF CON conferences. Now, these are conferences that every year, it's kind of interesting, because they are talking about how things can be hacked. And if go to one of those conferences, you do not want to bring any electronic devices, because the likelihood is they will be hacked. I don't care what they are, they're going to get hacked out there. And one of the things that they did this year is they expanded it. Well, let me just back up a little bit. You've been to conventions before, and conferences anytime. And they've got tracks, right. So you might have the CEO track or this tracker, that track record, they do the same thing out of these hacking conferences in Vegas. And this year, they had the biggest that they've ever had voting systems online. So they took a whole bunch of wanting system, some of which are in us, in the US and throughout the US. And they put them into a room and they said, have added guys, and they had contests and of course, they were they were all hacked, right? Every one of them. And I got to say that the secretaries of state say, Hey, listen, you know, that's not the real world. Because in the real world, we have more secure networks, we have air gaps, and of course, all that defeated to the thing that's most interesting. Joe, I'm glad you brought this up from the conference here just a couple of weeks ago, is that they also had a junior section. So they had they had let him loose. I mean, kids on voting machines and an 11-year-old girl hack voting machine. And I mean, what she ended up doing was, and this is interesting, right, man, how do the results get disseminated to the press? Most of the time it's via websites, right? You check the website and you've got it. So what does this 11-year-old girl do? She had a replica of the Florida Secretary of State's website out there at Black Hat. So again, every part of this is a problem because what happens if in Washington, they're not calling up and saying I'm you're the Secretary of State for me, give me the vote tallies. What was a code word of the week change code words? I know what you so I know the numbers are legit. What happens if they go to the state of Maine's website to find out what the vote tallies are to put them together to say yes, so it's always our new next president. And in fact, all they had to do was had website had the email. So, Joe, you're dead on this is a huge, huge problem. We have not fought all the way through yet. What are some of the solutions that are being proposed, you'd like to hope that when you look at what DEF CON is trying to do, is it's trying to bring in those white hat hackers that can come in and try and identify the problems in the hope that you're gonna have solutions that are going to come out of that. I mean, are there any ways in which we can further secure the voting system or there's being discussed? Well, yeah, I think they are. I think the best way to do this is a spot audience by people. I think that you using a piece of paper where you mark down who you're voting for, you know, and most of the states that are doing the paper ballots now or are using the optical scanners and it's not, you know, it's not Paper Paper till heavier than a sheet of paper. But then the machine reads it and then the machine gives the tallies and I think what should we only way to move forward here because we're gonna have to use some of this technology but he is you have the machines read them and then you have people spot check they manually go through looking for hanging chads rice in a flashback 20 years ago, and that they look at them, they looked at the tallies, make sure everything looks fine. And then we have to have a secure way of making sure that those tallies that are coming from individual districts and counties and state or all shared properly so that we get good final numbers. That's the only way we can really trust it. I think that the recount that we have right now some states have automatic recount. So if it's close enough of a race, some don't have that. But I think we should make recount easier. So if you want to do a recount, no problem. We bring you some of your people in we will watch you guys with the balance making sure you're not doing anything phony baloney so that anyone almost can do a recount so that we can trust the final tallies. That's the only way I think that we can move forward on this job. Because the tech the tech just cannot be 100% trusted.
Well, on that happy note, Craig, I think we're done. Unfortunately, we ran out of time. So we have to leave it there, Craig, appreciate your appearance. And we will talk to you again next Wednesday. Hey, gentlemen, take care. Thanks so much. All right. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll come back on the other side.
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