Nov 19, 2018
Craig is on with Jack Heath talking about the role Alexa played in a New Hampshire murder trial.
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Below is a rush transcript of this segment, it might contain errors.
Airing date: 11/19/2018
Double Homicide - Can Police Get Information From An Alexa
Craig Peterson 0:00
A good morning everybody. I sent out some emails to a few people
this last weekend. Hopefully you got it on Saturday. If you are on
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email me@CraigPeterson.com if you are interested, get your arms
around the security there and your business. Alright, so this
morning I was on with Mr. Jack Heath. And we talked quite a bit
about this double homicide that happened in New Hampshire and
explain in more detail what type of technology is being used by
these IoT devices Internet of Things the the Amazon Alexa is the
Google Home
Unknown 2:27
Craig Peterson joins us on the auto fair listener line and
interesting article Craig hopefully doing well. Jeff Jonas, you're
talking about this on Friday is a Lexus speech protected? This goes
to a case where the the technology the locks, it may have heard
something that ties into a double homicide in Farmington almost two
years ago.
Unknown 2:52
Yeah, good morning, Jack. It does. I spent some time talking about
this case on my show this weekend. Very in here. Yeah, it's very
interesting. Because we're bringing more of these devices in your
homes. You mentioned the course the Amazon Alexa, Google has the
Google Home. Apple has it theory. And there have been a couple of
cases now. And this one is making some national news where the
prosecutors felt that there may be information that's contained
within that device, in this case, and Amazon Echo bottom line on
this for people that do have these devices, the prosecutor doesn't
really understand how the technology works. So I take a second to
explain it. But also that the prosecutor may not be entirely wrong
here. So jack, what happens with these devices nowadays is they're
constantly listening to everything going on the environment. So
that part the prosecutor has, right However, they are locally
listening for their wake up word. So I'm not going to save the way
help word. But you know, when you address these things, you call it
by name. And then you give it a command. So nothing's going up to
the cloud. Unless the device has been modified, nothing is going up
and to the cloud and kill it hears its wake up word. So in the case
where there was a double homicide, what would have happened is, it
would have hurt the whole homicide because the the detectives in
the case think that the original action took place in the kitchen,
which is where the Amazon echo that they seize was located. So they
think that they probably heard it and it probably did, but that
Amazon Alexa sitting there is not going to be sending any of that
data to the cloud. And it's only stores a few seconds worth of
sound on the device locally. And then it rights over it again, now
where things so they're not going to get anything from this and
let's the murderer, someone else called out the wake up word, then
that 32nd stream of data and it's usually only 30 seconds max would
have been sent up to Amazon. And Amazon does keep it now where it
might be interesting. And we've seen this before is in a case where
maybe someone with crime of passion patch use the Alexa earlier in
the day. So they might have ordered pizza, or they might have asked
what the weather is tomorrow, etc. In those cases, that device is
recording the boys and uploads it to the cloud. In fact, you can go
in with any of these devices online and in the apps and listen to
the commands that's been given. So in that case, the prosecutor
could go to Amazon and say, Hey, listen, we need the recording and
listen to see if the murderer had or the accused I had previously
use that device, maybe an hour or so before the burgers and then
there's a crime of passion. And now they have some suspect at least
they have the voice of the suspect now in in the pre or price
previous case. In the non New Hampshire case where they went ahead
and subpoenaed amazon for the records. Amazon resisted them saying
no, we're not going to provide that data to you. And ultimately the
guy who was charged with the crime conceited and said to Amazon
Yeah, go ahead and release it. They listened to what recordings
were and ended up dropping all charges against the guy because
there was nothing incriminating on them but it's an interesting
question an interesting problem and it's got national prominence
now Jack
Unknown 6:45
Well, it does and these things are so like you saying your home now
and you don't think of what's captured Do you think of sort of
what's live and what's happening you know, you know Alexa it's like
the ad you know play me some Whitney Houston you know they're not
thinking Alexa Bose final score last night of the bears game you
know, people aren't thinking of what's picked up right or what's
captured
Unknown 7:06
right and you know that thing what was the score the bears game
that has been used in divorce cases before not not because it's the
bears not the Patriots. It's been using cases before because a
boyfriend or a girlfriend of the spouse comes over and uses the
Alexa it's all recorded in the spouse notices wait a minute now
this isn't my playlist this isn't the music I like and and who the
heck like the bears and so they have the voice of the cheater and
the GD right there on the device it's been used in court that way
before it's funny
Unknown 7:43
how people used to say careful of stay on the phone the government
might be listening and now it's like let's practice listening
device into our house and set it up
Unknown 7:51
Isn't it funny and and what what else were we told don't get in
cars with strangers right and don't take candy from strangers now
Now we call a stranger give them money to get in their car and get
takes it places guys the whole world just changed entirely hasn't
it?
Unknown 8:06
Yeah
Unknown 8:08
interesting stuff and you know again this is that was a pretty
pretty well known double homicide case in terms of pristine
solvents murder and a friend
Unknown 8:22
you know I guess the whether or not they can get suspect from this
and who knows if they're gonna you know there's such a legal
ramifications right
Unknown 8:30
yeah and Amazon is going to continue to resist from what they're
saying right now and really the only way they would be able to
release it without any problems is for the owner to say yeah go
ahead and leave those records but in this case apparently the
owners debt because I imagine it was hers at the time yeah so it
isn't please Cassidy I doubt they're going to get anything but
maybe they will but they're certainly not likely to get a recording
of the murder as it happens like what happened in the Saudi embassy
over in Turkey now here we go there's a
Unknown 9:05
Alexa can help solve that but they have plenty of video they have
plenty of video and other stuff to know that a mystic a show he was
not leaving that console and alive. All right. Thank you, Craig.
And have a great great Thanksgiving.
Unknown 9:16
Hey, thank them people right now on our homepage. If you go to dir
there is a an article about travel on Thanksgiving. Google has
mapped it out where you should go where you shouldn't go and when
it's a really great article.
Unknown 9:32
Alright, thanks. Thanks, Craig. Appreciate it. We come back checks
out over the financial show airs.
Unknown 9:36
Hi everybody. By the way. Have a great Thanksgiving if you don't
hear from me, although I'll be on again Tuesday and Wednesday this
week. And of course my radio show this Saturday, but I might love
Thanksgiving. It's a great time for families and friends to get
together so enjoy yourself. Take care. Bye bye.
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