Mar 12, 2019
Craig is on the Jim Polito show with Danny Farrantino filling in for Jim. They talked about the AI, artificial intelligence, that the government is using to track and determine would be criminals, the risks of it, and President Trump not renewing the NSA surveillance program.
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Transcript:
Below is a rush transcript of this segment, it might contain errors.
Airing date: 03/12/2019
Risks Of Government Controlled Artificial Intelligence
Craig Peterson: 0:00
Hey guys, Craig Peterson here. Hope you're having a great morning.
This morning, I got to talk on the Jim Poliito show with Danny, the
producer, because Jim is overseas. He's touring around Italy and
France and a few other places, send it in little daily reports. But
we talked this morning about the dangers of these new artificial
intelligence systems being used by government and now being used by
police department in California by the guys that used to be able to
set bail and whether you get out on bail. And retailers to kind of
save them a few bucks, in fact, billions of dollars by stopping
shoplifting. So here we go with Danny.
Danny Farrantino 0:49
Who knows what that music means? It means it's time to get a little
techie. And National Security Agency, the NSA, it appears Craig may
be stopping some of these surveillance programs they've been doing
over the past few years.
Craig 1:05
Yeah, this is a really interesting thing. And by the way, you know,
Jim's over there. And obviously he's looking to see what are the
people thinking in Italy and France? And what did they think of
Americans, as you just mentioned, and I'm not sure that anyone's
really thought this through. Because if somehow we're thinking that
Jim is a good representation of your average American, there might
be an issue there, Danny.
Danny 1:36
Well, unfortunately, my producer Steve out in Western Mass, told
them all he needed to know was Prego, so he texted us this morning.
And everyone in Rome thinks he's pregnant. He doesn't know what's
going on.
Craig 1:51
Anthony. Alright sounds good. Well let's about the NSA program
because this is astounding. It is not being covered in the general
news out there. But it is a very, very big deal because the
National Security Agency has been tracking Americans for years and
years. That program was substantially increased during the Obama
administration. And there were spying on every communication we
had. They were collecting metadata, and they could use that to
figure out where you were, basically figure out who you were, who
you were talking to, they were recording calls, etc, etc. So
President Trump comes into office, and all of a sudden the NSA
decides what they've been doing might have been illegal. And so
illegal in fact that some of these records that they knew they had
collected that were way outside what the law allowed for. They
deleted so they deleted like three years worth of data collection.
Well, now, here we are, in 2019, this program, which was authorized
under the so called USA Freedom Act, I love it, how they name some
of these terrible acts like they're they're just wonderful
patriotic things. But anyways.
Danny 3:12
It's for the people, Craig.
Craig 3:14
It is for the people. It requires reauthorization of the end
of this year. And apparently what's happened is the NSA has decided
that since President Trump doesn't like this program, and he
doesn't like Americans being spied on illegally, that he is not
going to renew this program. Now, this is this whole program that
we found out because of the so called whistleblower and all of the
data that he had released and very scary thing. But we found out
about this and that the NSA is apparently going to dish this whole
program, which they apparently have not had a single conviction
because of this program. And we're talking hundreds of millions of
dollars and actually, they were collecting so much data. Danny that
in drove up the price of hard disks.
Danny 4:12
Because they were taking them all. Wow.
Craig 4:13
Yeah, because they were taking them absolutely. So we found out
about this from a guy named Luke Murray. He's a national security
adviser to the House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy. So in other
words, we found out about this program going away. We found out
that President Trump didn't like it that it probably wasn't going
to be reauthorized from an assistant here to the House Minority
Leader it's it's fascinating all the way around. Obviously the
democrats have something to do with this as well because they may
not pass it through the house President Trump doesn't like it he's
already had a lot of this stuff shut down. Thank goodness they are
finally starting to pay attention to what we the people want which
has to be free in our communications in our papers to have privacy.
You know we can give it up all we want to go to Amazon and Google
and Facebook but that's us given it up it isn't our government
spying on us?
Danny 5:15
Yeah, you know, some people making the argument well, if you're not
doing anything wrong, who cares? But it's just kind of the general
principle and then not only that, Craig but as you say, if they've
had zero convictions with all of this data they've collected what
what good has it done?
Craig 5:28
Yeah, it really hasn't done any good and when it gets down to that
argument of well if you have nothing to hide but take a look at
what's happened with the Mueller investigation where Muller excuse
me investigation was thinking Bueller right Ferris Bueller. But
with a smaller investigation where they were not investigating a
crime they were investigating people and that's the sort of thing
that happens in socialist governments if we know fascist, communist
all versions of socialist I'm where you are investigated. And as
has been said, show me the person I'll show you the crime. So if
they if the government has all of this information, and with the
hundreds of thousands of pages of rules, regulations, laws on the
federal level, my goodness, the last half of the last year of the
Obama administration we're talking about 50,000 new pages of
regulations. We you know, my wife was a police officer and she said
in the academy, she was a state trooper, in the academy they were
told before you leave your home in the morning the on average you
violated two to three laws having all of this just makes it so they
can strong arm anyone and convict anyone of anything and that to
me, that's just very scary.
Danny 6:50
Well, it brings up a point of you saying the government watching
and me trying to find crimes or whatever else moving over to Japan.
Now Japan trying to solve crimes before they even take place.
Craig 7:01
Yeah, this is a you know, something that we were warned about.
Right. It's been a theme of, of our science fiction movies for many
many years, you know, pre-crime with a Tom Cruise movie and many
others that are out there but this is a whole new type of
technology. We know that in in socialist China that they're
monitoring everybody they've got cameras everywhere. They've now
got this whole social credit thing. And if you say something
negative against the government if you jaywalk, they're monitoring
you. They know who you are, and they're taking away your right to
travel because of what you say, if you're not politically correct.
In China, you can even get on an airplane over there. It's really
gotten bad. We're now looking at pre-crime in the US where we
have computer programs that have been analyzing all of our
violent crime patterns. And the police are are sending police
officers excuse me and investigatory teams into areas where the
computers are saying, there's likely to be a crime here. I have
real problems with that because, again, it's a computer. But I have
even more problems, Danny, when in California, they're trying to
get rid of bail bondsmen and in fact, they're trying to get rid of
bail entirely. And what they're doing in California is they said,
well, we've got a computer program and we'll just feed in all of
the data about you. We'll feed in your social network comments.
We'll feed in your travel history. We'll feed in your criminal
history, and then the computer is going to come up and decide
whether or not we should release you.
Danny 8:58
Oh, that sounds like a smart idea.
Craig 9:00
Isn't that brilliant? Now, how can you challenge that? You know,
the computer program was written by programmers, are you going to
be able to hold them into court? Are you going to be below examine
every line of code? In fact, the people that wrote the programs are
saying no, you can't have access to our source code, its
proprietary. So now you're going to be judged by a piece of
computer software that you cannot bring into court. You know, you
can challenge a traffic ticket, but you can't challenge this in
California. And now what you're talking about, I think in in Japan
is this cameras being tied into yet another computer program. And
these cameras are deciding whether or not they think to look
shifty. Whether they think that you might be a shoplifter. So there
they can tie into pretty much any computer or excuse me, any
security system that's out there, and this software, it's a kind of
a machine learning, AI and it's, again, out of Minority Report. And
what they're saying is that retailers in the US and UK are, are are
losing money, right, though they're losing about $34 billion a year
in lost sales because of shoplifting. It accounts for about 2% of
revenue. So in an industry where the margins are quite thin, it
could save them a whole bunch of money. And so they're turning to
this computer program that's going to watch you and decide whether
or not it thinks you might be a shoplifter. Now, right now, they're
saying the right way to do it is if it's if it's identifying
someone that's looking around that that seems to have some body
language that might indicate that they're shoplifter, they're
saying, well, just send security over and ask that person if they
need any help. And almost all always just having that person
realize that they're being watched is enough for them not to
shoplift. But what's the next step? You know, Danny, it's one thing
to have socialist countries monitoring us. As President Trump
pointed out, we're not a socialist country, well, at least he has,
right? And having these technologies in place just makes it easy,
that easy for the government to do things that take it to the next
level of private business. Again, it's one thing for them to
monitor you to warn you, but this is really getting me more and
more concerned. When should computers be monitoring us? And what
should they be doing? I don't mind them monitoring me for symptoms
of a heart attack, because I'm wearing an Apple Watch and it might
save my life. But the rest of this I'm I just don't like.
Danny 1:55
Especially when a lot of it is I guess, per se, at least an Apple
Watch that's giving you a hard target data where something like
this machine in Japan is we think maybe might be you might be
guilty.
Craig 12:08
Yeah, or the software they're using a New York City to pre-place
the police officers are in California to decide whether or not you
might be a flight risk. It's we're going that way, Danny, it's
going to be happening more and more. You got to bet that the
legislature right here in the Commonwealth is looking at something
like this pretty seriously as a way to save money and and track
people maybe stop crime. I don't know where do we draw that
line?
Danny 12:37
Unfortunately, you know, you want to keep people safe. But you also
want to give people their own personal personal space as well. So
and unfortunately, that line is very thin as you say Craig. Craig
as always great stuff. Of course, we only got to about half of it.
People want to hear more. What do they do?
Craig 12:52
All right, everybody. I am back to working on content here
delivering on this huge course on cyber security, DIY cyber
security. Anyways, take care. Have a great day. Bye bye.
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